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September 29, 2006
Bill Clinton Courageously Waits A Mere Eight Years To Tell Truth
Here's a Bill Clinton quote from the recent New Yorker article about him by David Remnick:
The [Bush] Administration did not shoot straight on the nuclear issue or on Saddam's supposed ties to Al Qaeda prior to 9/11... I personally never saw any intelligence on the Al Qaeda connection or the nuclear issue, except that he had some people in labs fooling around with it.
Huh. That's interesting.
Below I've quoted a few things Clinton was saying during the 1998 bombing of Iraq in Operation Desert Fox. But just for fun, I've added a few sentences. See if you can spot which ones!
December 16, 1998CLINTON: Good evening. Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors... Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
Though let me clear about one thing: I've personally never seen any intelligence on the nuclear issue, except that Saddam has some people in labs fooling around with it.
December 18, 1998
CLINTON: So we had to act. Saddam simply must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors of the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
Still, let me emphasize something so no one gets the wrong impression: I've personally never seen any intelligence on the nuclear issue, except that he has some people in labs fooling around with it.
December 19, 1998
CLINTON: I believe our action in Iraq clearly is in America's interest. Never again can we allow Saddam Hussein to develop nuclear weapons, poison gas, biological weapons, or missiles to deliver them.
Having said that, I feel in matters of life and death the president owes America the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And the truth is I've personally never seen any intelligence on the nuclear issue, except that he has some people in labs fooling around with it.
BONUS: Here's Kenneth Pollack's February 21, 2003 New York Times op-ed:
[In 1995], the international agency was so certain that it had eradicated the Iraqi nuclear program that it wanted to end aggressive inspections in favor of passive "monitoring." Then a slew of defectors came out of Iraq...These defectors reported that outside pressure had not only failed to eradicate the nuclear program, it was bigger and more cleverly spread out and concealed than anyone had imagined it to be...Then another batch of important defectors escaped to Europe and told Western intelligence services that after the inspectors left Iraq in 1998, Saddam Hussein had started a crash program to build a nuclear weapon and that the Iraqis had devised methods to hide the effort.
Thank god Bill Clinton wrote a letter to the NY Times the next day saying "Don't believe a word Pollack says. I personally never saw any intelligence on the nuclear issue, except that Saddam had some people in labs fooling around with it." If he hadn't, we might have made a terrible mistake and invaded Iraq!
Posted at September 29, 2006 07:30 AM | TrackBackI bet that within a month of election day the Clintons will be houseguests of pater Bush in Kennebunkport. There will be high-fives and laughs all 'round.
Posted by: Lloyd at September 29, 2006 01:38 PMI've never understood the fascination with Bill Clinton. As far as I've ever been concerned, he's the worst thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party. And he taught Tony Blair everything he knows. The two of them, and their 'hold power at any cost' mentality, are responsible for the demise of any hope of a progressive, left-wing government in either the US or the UK barring a major catastrophe on the order of the Great Depression or World War II.
Bastards.
Posted by: Mike at September 29, 2006 04:17 PMClinton was in a tough spot. He'd alluded early in his term to being willing to consider dropping the sanctions against Iraq. Immediately after that an "assassination attempt" on Bush Sr. occured which obviated any chance of a thaw.
Bush Sr. and Louis Freeh by then had begun setting up what amounted to a rogue State Dept. in Saudi Arabia and Cheney and his PNAC pals were pressuring Clinton into invading Iraq.
Clinton was stuck on the one hand justifying to the UN keeping the sanctions while staving off Cheney and the other jackals on the other. See, Bush Sr. didn't expect he'd be voted out of office, and these guys didn't just twiddle their thumbs for eight years - they kept working on their invade Iraq plan.
By the way, the earliest trace of the invade Iraq plan that I can find was a 1975-era Harpers article under the pseudonym of Miles Ignotious but was probably written by Kissinger.
Posted by: Maezeppa at September 29, 2006 05:10 PMOr President Clinton's February 1998 Statement on Iraq to the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
"In 1995, Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more."
Posted by: buermann at September 29, 2006 05:13 PMI realize this is a whole other subset of lies and only remotely on topic, but here he's doing the same thing in this interview with Larry King in February 2003, a month before Newsweek let the public in on the big joke:
"You know, in 1995, keep in mind we had information from two members of his family, two men who had married into his family that defected to Jordan. They gave us the information and basically the Iraqis, said, OK, we were lying all of the time, here's what we really have. We went in and got that and destroyed it. Everything these guys knew about. Then they foolishly went back to Iraq and they were killed within a month of going back.
"In 1998, when we and the British bombed for four days when we kicked the inspectors out, we degraded their capacity further, but there's no question they've had some time to rebuild.
"Now based on the declarations they made in '99 and the estimates that were there in '91 at the end of the Gulf War, it's clear that the inspections destroyed more stuff than was destroyed in the Gulf War. but it's pretty clear there are still some things, substantial amounts of chemical and biological stocks unaccounted for."
And I find that last bit real funny. OTOH he didn't repeat the Bushian narrative about how Saddam kicked the inspectors out, so that's something.
Posted by: buermann at September 29, 2006 05:38 PMThis is what is perennially nauseating about American politics. I despised Clinton in office and despise him now and that goes for both of them, but would greatly prefer either in office to Bush.
Which is like saying that given a choice between having the earth hit next Tuesday by a 1 km asteroid vs. a 10 km asteroid, I'd prefer the smaller one.
Posted by: Donald Johnson at September 29, 2006 06:17 PMIt is not my fault, I could not help it, maybe I am weak willed but after reading the op-ed bonus posted by Jonathan I just had to see what Pollack is saying now, here in the present. So I took a look-see right here.
http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/pollack/20060820.htm
Here I discovered a very long essay on Iraq of all things and unbelievable as it may seem the man is still giving us advice!
Why?
Pollack is a man without shame, born without a filter. The best part of the piece comes at the very end which I am pasting below.
"How Iraq got to this point is now an issue for historians (and perhaps for voters in 2008); what matters today is how to move forward and prepare for the tremendous risks an Iraqi civil war poses for this critical region. The outbreak of a large-scale civil conflict would not relieve us of our responsibilities in Iraq; in fact, it could multiply them. Unfortunately, in the Middle East, one should never assume that the situation can't get worse. It always can -- and usually does."
Gee Kenny, how did Iraq get to this point? Never mind the book you wrote with the title a clever take on Winston Churchill's tome The Gathering Storm it is now an issue for historians everywhere. All I can say is Ken has an extremely selective memory.
Ken is a human dynamo and after regaling us with the dire threat of Iraq Ken is moving on to bigger and better things like Iran.
http://www.brook.edu/views/articles/pollack/20060612.htm
I believe it was Charles de Gaulle who said the grave yard is full of indispensable people so I must conclude Ken will be buried somewhere else.
Which is like saying that given a choice between having the earth hit next Tuesday by a 1 km asteroid vs. a 10 km asteroid, I'd prefer the smaller one.
At this point, I think the 10 km one would be for the best, all around.
Posted by: mike at September 30, 2006 07:52 AMHillary? Please, God, no. Enough of your monstrous jokes. We really haven't sinned that badly.
Posted by: Jesus B. Ochoa at September 30, 2006 09:07 AMrob payne wrote, "Here I discovered a very long essay on Iraq of all things and unbelievable as it may seem the man is still giving us advice!
"Why?"
Because someone is actually willing to give money to this idiot to dispense yet more "advice."
Yes, it helps that Pollack has no sense of honor, but follow the money.
Posted by: liberal at October 1, 2006 02:21 AM