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October 25, 2006
What A UnSurprise
Let's take a look again at this conversation from State of Denial between Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson and Henry Kissinger:
“Why did you support the Iraq war?†Gerson asked him.“Because Afghanistan wasn’t enough,†Kissinger answered. In the conflict with radical Islam, he said, they want to humiliate us. “And we need to humiliate them.â€ÂÂ
And here's bin Laden again:
"What America is tasting now is something insignificant compared to what we have tasted for scores of years. [The Islamic world] has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for eighty years."
I wonderâ€â€Âbesides Kissinger and bin Laden, are there any other sick freaks out there undergoing such bizarre interior psychodramas that they experienced the 9/11 attacks as humiliating for Americans?
"For the first time in my life, I felt myself in the position of the policeman," [Christopher Hitchens] told me. In part, this was a response to America's panic. "Nobody knew what was going on. This giant government, and huge empire. Bush was missing. Panic, impotence, shame. I've never known any feeling like it."â€â€ÂNew Yorker, October 16, 2006
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are only so many ways to be a frothing lunatic.
Posted at October 25, 2006 07:31 AM | TrackBackI don't know if the idea of Hitchins as a policeman is enough to frighten me for the rest of my life or something to make me laugh the rest of my life.
Posted by: Susan at October 25, 2006 08:34 AMno such confusion with Kissinger
Posted by: Susan at October 25, 2006 08:34 AMSo... wait... is Hitchens saying he's always been shameless?
A friend of mine in college used to say that if you paid attention to what someone said long enough, they would eventually give themselves away. Funny how true that is... or would be, if it played out in fiction moreso than real life.
Oh, and humiliation means publicly forcing humility onto someone... Which means only the humble can never be humiliated; or more verbosely: how much someone needs to fear humiliation is inversely proportional to how humble they are.
Posted by: James Cape at October 25, 2006 08:47 AMWhat is humiliating is that Bush was elected the first time and doubly so the second time. Europeans have always thought we Americans were dumbshits and we keep proving it for them.
Here is a real gooder example from the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102401563.html
Paul M. Weyrich, chairman of the Free Congress Foundation, said the White House is not doing enough to repair relations with the base. "I'm not seeing anything," he said. "Maybe they're doing certain things with people who are closer to them. But in my case, I've not gotten any special treatment or invitations or whatever."
Still, Weyrich said the White House may yet benefit from conservatives coming home. "It'll all come down to conservatives," he said. "For a long time, I've heard nothing but 'I'm not going to vote for these jerks.' Now I'm hearing 'Well, I suppose we'll have to vote the jerks back in and see what we can do.' "
Vote the jerks back in and see what we can do? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
We already fucking know what they fucking do, we are so fucking stupid.
That is what is humiliating.
Posted by: rob payne at October 25, 2006 09:12 AM"Panic, impotence, shame. I've never known any feeling like it."
The whiskey has obviously blurred Hitchens' memory of prom night.
Posted by: hedgehog at October 25, 2006 10:38 AMI can't imagine that being attacked is humiliating. I can imagine that being occupied--forcing yourself to bite your tongue and go along with unfair rules imposed on you by a force you feel is illegitmate--is humiliating. Which of course doesn't bode well for us in the future. . .
Posted by: Saheli at October 25, 2006 12:03 PMDude, 'member that time thousands of our countrymen were vaporized without warning?
That was soooooo embarrassing.
Posted by: clarke at October 25, 2006 04:09 PMJonathan, I think that perhaps you have spent a wee bit too much time in the bubble made of glass. In my experience, at least, the ways to be a frothing lunatic are beyond the human capacity to count. The thing is not reducible to a "Let Me Count the Ways" type of approach. It is, like God, quite beyond our grasp. Sort of like neither here nor there, while at the same time, a surfeit of froth and lunatics both.
Posted by: Jesus B. Ochoa at October 26, 2006 07:45 AMAnatol Lieven has written of "new white ethnoreligious groups that have brought to the United States their own traditions of defeat, oppression, and consequent bellicosity: in the past the Catholic Irish, more recently the Jews.".
Link, please?
Posted by: Jesus B. Ochoa at October 26, 2006 11:56 AMJonathan, thank you for bringing succor to my tired old eyeballs.
Posted by: Jesus B. Ochoa at October 26, 2006 02:56 PMJesus B. Ochoa, I'm with you. All available evidence provided by the current U.S. government, the rightwing blogosphere, and the "liberal mainstream media" would indicate that the ways to be a frothing lunatic are indeed legion.
Posted by: Smiling Mortician at October 27, 2006 08:44 PMSmiling Mortician, I disagree. The different frothing lunatic methods sometimes appear to be legion, but if examined closely generally fall into a limited number of categories.
Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at October 28, 2006 09:48 AM