Nothing really to say about this one. Apparently Wolfowitz is helping Libby by pointing out he has complete knowledge of the consequences of exposing a covert CIA operative.

We should all be grateful Wolfowitz is not our friend.

Libby will come out of this stronger in the end anyway, though. He will be "rehabilitated" into another position of power, and assuming he isn't pardoned, he will command additional respect for doing time for the team. It really is exactly like the Mafia.

I'm sure everything will be alright and the Pardon is on it's way. Sending a man named Scooter to prison could easily be rationalized as cruel and unusuaal punishment. ( someone is saving up cigarettes for the Saturday Night Shower and Dance.)

Even if he goes to prison, I'm sure he could get out in three days on a medical excuse.

It would make sense if the CIA agent Scooter was protecting was doing something bad--extraordinary renditions, torture, stuff like that, and exposure would have been bad for the Bushies. Whereas he has no problem exposing agents who actually do things that protect the country, but have also embarrassed the Bush Administration.

You just have to turn your moral code upside down, or at least sideways, to make sense of these people.

Don't worry, sir, it's probable Plame did truly awful things at some point. It's not like the CIA hires people to feed the starving children.

If you look at it the way the neocons do it would be as if the neocons are the center of the universe and everyone else has the importance equal to that of a paper weight that a neocon might have on his desk. There is them and there are the rest of us, the manipulators and the manipulated. I am sure they see Libby’s loyalty to the neocon movement as pure integrity, noble in fact. Since the rest of us are completely worthless in their world view there is no need for integrity as far as we are concerned any more than we would worry about having integrity towards a rock lying on the ground.

Not strange at all, Jon. Wolfowitz is making very clear the distinction that Libby wouldn't have revealed Plame's identity had she been working overseas. It's just a reiteration of the defense that no damage was done by the revelation. It's not an excuse, of course, but there is a perspective from which it makes sense.

That said, though, I have a side comment for Mr. Mike Meyer: as reprehensible as the Bush administration is, as morally bankrupt as Scooter Libby is, as appalling as modern neoliberalism is: rape jokes are never ever fucking funny. Asshole.

"worry about... a rock on the ground"
We are, after all, merely the marginally more intelligent of the idiot masses, too dumb to hop on the conservative gravy train.

Don't worry, sir, it's probable Plame did truly awful things at some point. It's not like the CIA hires people to feed the starving children.
Posted by StO at June 8, 2007 12:29 AM

Depends.
Google "Culinary Institute of America" or "Americans starved for oil." You'll find the CIA actually does hire people to help feed the starving children.

Second search, in quotes, didn't seem to come up with anything. Unquoted, top article tells me that the Asian dragon is starved for oil. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious. Could you please offer me a brief summary of what you had hoped I'd find out?

Anyway, I had completely forgotten about the Culinary Institute of America. Good call.

I had forgotten about the Culinary Institute of America. Good call. However, I couldn't find anything in the second search. When I took off the quotation marks, I found something about the oil-starved Asian dragon, but not what I think I was supposed to be looking for. What was it?

Sully 8:37 It IS NOT A JOKE, it is a comment on our Prison System and MY opinion. (I don't call you names, PLEASE. Such name caling is hardly acceptable in a schoolyard these days and one would hope we are all adults here.)

how can anyone think this is "strange"? It's BULLSHIT, not "strange". what gives with giving people like the neocons the benefit of any doubts, especially now? Haven't they proven their absolute disregard for the USA, our Constitution, and the American people at large ENOUGH for you?
What will it take to start calling a lying sack of shit, a lying sack of shit?
It's soooooooooo easy to say pretty things when you lie. You could say ANYTHING. watch how easy this is:

I'm the effin' King of FRance! I'm worth 34 billion dollars, and the King of Saudi Arabia is my bitch!

See? all of that was a complete lie, but I guess if I said that on CNN, no one would call me on it, they'd just fisk my past, call me "strange" and question my sanity.

It's really, really easy to tell when the Bush admin is lying---their lips move.
They need a good impeachment, and it needs to happen before they fake another terrorist attack to justify martial law.
Watch, in the next few months, Bush will get increasingly unpopular until some "terrorists" set off a bomb in a us city, and Bush will dissolve Congress, suspend the Constitution and all further elections until "terrorism is stopped" (which, of course will NEVER happen, because any high school graduate knows that you can't kill a CONCEPT or an IDEA with fascism)

when that happens, Bush will magically be popular again, and I'll be in a camp somewhere! hot damn!

Strange. my ass, we're dealing with Fascists, and they should be treated as Fascists.

Mike, you're right. I still don't find your comment to be much more than a leering thrill at the prospect of Libby being sodomized, but I was out of line. I apologize.

Sully: Don't answer if you don't want, but don't you think he DESERVES a ride through HELL. How many MEN has he helped rape and sodomize, then murdered? How MANY women, CHILDREN has he DOOMED to the same fate? What about all them? How about your neighbors kid, shot or killed or YOUR own.

It costs all of us that perps are afraid to go to jail. I recently watched a police chase on a COPS episode. About a stolen car (or something). During the chase the perp sideswiped a car not involved, with people in it. A totally innocent man ended up losing all his front teeth and broke his nose.

Watching that I wondered if some of those chase occur because perps are afraid of being raped in jail. Think about it - what would cross your mind when the siren comes on behind you?

I believe the car chases are yet another reason to stop prison rape. not to mention and all the other hassles and expenses that accue because people are terrified to do their time.

--Anyway I have to basically agree with Sully. Appallingly, shows like the Daily Show and Conan fairly often use rape jokes when someone famous goes to prison. Comedians need to get the message this is not cool. Not just because the jokes aren't funny, but because the joking contributes to the decadence of the culture that allows such things to occur.

"what would cross your mind when the siren comes on behind you?"

if in a remote area, I worry about being raped there and then.

I think Wolfie means that Scooter prevented one agent from being outed, so he was entitled to out another one. It just brought everything back to even, 'cause he had one in the bank. Make sense?