"Yes you do, vote the enablers out in '08."

Given what he said right before that, I have to agree. Conyers has got to go. There aren't 20 people in the House & Senate combined who deserve to keep their jobs, and Conyers sure as shit ain't one of them.

God this is getting extremely frustrating. Conyers really looked like the one guy we could rely on to get this done and now all he's doing is shining us on. The handwriting is on the wall. The Democrats honestly think they win bigger in 08 if they do nothing now. They all deserve to be voted out.

Conyers has been a fraud throughout Bush's Reign of Terror. He knows just what to say to keep the Democratic Faithful believing they have a voice in the party that abuses them relentlessly (however, his earlier comment regarding retroactive impeachment was a screaming indication of what was to come).

"The Democrats honestly think they win bigger in 08 if they do nothing now."

Unfortunately, this ain't a parliamentary game. Democrats want to win, but "winning bigger" doesn't enter their cynical calculation. Every Democrat in Congress could gather at a press conference, pull down their pants and moon the voters who put them there - and they still wouldn't have to worry about any electoral recriminations.

By giving Bush a blank check for the last six and a half years, they have created a situation of desperation wherein voters will reward Democratics regardless of their refusal to uphold their oaths. Which, of course, is exactlly what will end up happening.

When Bush first rolled into office, a common refrain among Democrats was "Give the Republicans enough rope and they'll hang themselves." Well, look around. This is what happens when Democrats go into the rope business.

Just as the rapacious Bush-Cheney Administration is free to act with impunity because there are no consequences from Democrats, so, too, are Democrats free to act with impunity because there are no consequences from the voters who put them in office. Why would Democrats in Congress act on principle when Democratic voters refuse to do the same?

Conyers' contempt for Democratic voters could not be more obvious.

Hey, stop giving John Conyers such a hard time. He's just following through on a very obvious political calculation: rank and file Democrats will wail and moan, but in the end, where do they have to go? Are they going to sit out the next election? Or vote for the fascist Republicans?

Here's an idea: Conyers and Pelosi think those who are complaining loudly now will still be voting Democrat in the next election. So why not show them they're wrong?

Here's the website for the Green Party: http://www.gp.org/ Go there, find the address of your local chapter, and mail them a check. But before you put that check in the mail, make a copy of it, and mail it to Pelosi and Conyers, with an explanation that this is X dollars that they won't be getting because you've had it with the Dems. In your letter, promise to vote Green in '08, and then follow through on that promise.

Otherwise, they have absolutely no reason to listen to you.

what the hell is the matter with you people? do you really think the dem party is better than the other? well, if you do, it isn't. as an outsider i can tell you that the only, last and tiny hope for america is to reject the two-party charade you've got going. otherwise (and actually, inevitably, since you've been so brainwashed by this "america is the greatest country on earth" crap) you're going the way of germany - short ugly dictatorship followed by long, impoverished remorse. and that's a good thing.

so it seems the new rallying cry is something on the order of

"VOTE FOR US: WE'RE 1 1/2 per cent less scummy, and we mean well."

sorry-- I guess that looks like 11 halves. I meant 1.5 per cent. Do I hear 1.4...?

Censure is a bigger joke than Dean Wormer's "double secret probation" in Animal House. At least Delta House got kicked out.

Oh yeah! Vote green. Smart. Then the Dems will have even less reason to listen to you, and more to listen to right-wing Dems who actually vote for them.

If you want to oppose these people, do it when they're selected, not at a general election. Get a clue.

The Congressman claims that there is absolutely no way that impeachment can go forward and when I was nearing the end of my hope I cried out: "So, if the people's house won't help us then we the people have no recourse against the executive branch." To which he replied: "PSYCH!"

Hey, stop giving John Conyers such a hard time. He's just following through on a very obvious political calculation: rank and file Democrats will wail and moan, but in the end, where do they have to go? Are they going to sit out the next election? Or vote for the fascist Republicans?

SteveB,

Nothing would please me more than to have results similar to the 2004 election repeated.

For one, it would demonstrate the failure of the two party system; the fealty that both parties give to business interests (and let's be real; under everything else, is the economy -- the reason that Democrats are feckless shits). They don't want to be blamed for killing what they perceive is the golden goose.

And secondly, more political damage needs doing; I'm not up to it, nor is there need for me to be up to it, given the drunken damage that both parties are doing.

It's too early for a viable third party (and three parties aren't enough anyway). We need another 8-12 years of extreme dysfunction to radicalize the public.

Yeah, 12 years is about right. Puts us to 2020.

"Oh yeah! Vote green. Smart. Then the Dems will have even less reason to listen to you, and more to listen to right-wing Dems who actually vote for them.

If you want to oppose these people, do it when they're selected, not at a general election. Get a clue."

This sort of thanksraplph nonsense cannot go unchallenged. The argument is that if you keep voting for the dems they will stop doing what they've always done since they gave up being a liberal and progressive party decades ago. Voting for them in the absence of any support for your values is what tells them they can safely ignore you.

I know, I know... You've always wondered: why don't we have our very own American STASI!

Wonder no more.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-proposes-bu.html

NANCY DOES ANSWER THE PHONE. Call Nancy Pelosi@ 1-202-225-0100 and discuss IMPEACHMENT. Call early, call often.

Jon. OUR George up above, has given us another precious moment, and so LOVED ONES....
DO YOU AS A TAXPAYER, feel it would be to YOUR advantage to have TOTAL control over YOUR TAXES?
DO YOU AS A TAXPAYER, think that YOU AS A MAJORITY could make a few good decisions on how YOUR money's spent and would welcome some measure of control through a final YES OR NO VOTE?
Then the Voter Initiative Political Party of Wyoming is YOUR DOG, and we are looking to EXPAND YOUR WAY.

DAMN MACHINES, last post is me and PS WE DONOT SOLICIT OR ACCEPT DONATIONS. (Mike Meyer, just in case)

Make that WE DONT ACCEPT DONATIONS. (sometimes you got be willing to help other folks out)

Voting, no matter how one does it - or if it's done at all - won't change minds any more than toothless petitions and gutless phone calls.

Politicians only understand one thing: Commerce.

If the World Bank showed up in San Francisco tomorrow, does anyone doubt the streets would be filled and much of the city would come to a screeching halt?

Yet San Francisco's hometown girl can say "Impeachment is off the table," and the people who put her there yawn. As long as Pelosi gets away with defying common sense and the rule of law - and the people of San Francisco refuse to hold her to account for her egregious neglect - then nothing will change.

Make it impossible for San Fransisco to go about the business of generating revenue, and see how long Madam Speaker remains impervious to reason.

But, of course, the odds of such a sequence of events is beyond remote. Street action is so retro. And The Left has proven itself incapable of coming together to do anything which isn't expressly approved by the DNC.

That's how politicians are pressured. And it has nothing to do with a ballot box.

That's all good about financial pressure on Pelosi, but a phonecall is only 50cents or so.

Considering more people read comments than respond to them - plus the fact I don't care whether one, two or three or three thousand people express displeasure to my selective demagoguery - allow me to say whoopteedoo.

Battle of Seattle? Anti-war marches nearly five years ago? You left out Chicago '68.

Pardon my guffaw.

* * * * * * *

C-O-M-M-E-R-C-E is the key.

Pelosi understands it.

Conyers understands it.

The whole Beltway establishment understands it.

Yet, in "activist" circles, the only time I see or hear the word COMMERCE is in the context of some half-wit proposing a boycott or another half-wit explaining why boycotts don't work.

To those who don't care for the point, or the way I make it, tough doodie. Nobody's making you read it.

Hair-splitting is for coffee shop conversation, but it dilutes my brand: RAGE.

50 cents and say IMPEACH, how tough can thar be? She don't even ask for your name. (I give mine anyway)

John Conyer's performance is nowhere near as sad as the dupes that empower these assholes every November. It is We, not Conyers that are to blame for this abomination. May God have mercy on our pathetic, morbidly obese, warmongering souls...

I'm praying to GOD that YOU still got 50cents to make that call with. (whether you do or not is between YOU and GOD.)