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September 18, 2007

Alan Greenspan, Indomitable Demagogue

Dennis Kucinich on Meet the Press, February 23, 2003:

MR. RUSSERT: Congressman, you made a very strong charge against the administration and let me show you what you said on January 19. "Why is the Administration targeting Iraq? Oil." What do you base that on?

REP. KUCINICH: I base that on the fact that there is $5 trillion worth of oil above and in the ground in Iraq, that individuals involved in the administration have been involved in the oil industry, that the oil industry certainly would benefit from having the administration control Iraq, and that the fact is that, since no other case has been made to go to war against Iraq, for this nation to go to war against Iraq, oil represents the strongest incentive...

MR. PERLE: It is a lie, Congressman. It is an out and out lie.

Richard Cohen, February 25, 2003:

"Liar" is a word rarely used in Washington...So it was particularly shocking, not to mention refreshing, to hear Richard Perle on Sunday call Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) a liar to his face...

Kucinich himself seemed only momentarily fazed by Perle's sharp right to his integrity and went on, indomitable demagogue that he seems to be, to maintain that the coming war with Iraq will be fought to control that nation's oil...How did this fool get on "Meet the Press"?

[S]omething truly awful has happened. The looming war has already become deeply and biliously ideological. By that I mean that the extremes on both sides -- but particularly the war's opponents -- no longer feel compelled to prove a case or stick to the facts.

Alan Greenspan in his new book, reported September 15, 2007:

I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.

Richard Cohen responding to this important information, September 18, 2007:

If there is a phrase more closely associated with both Hillary and Bill Clinton than "the politics of personal destruction," it does not come to mind...[but] for Hillary it has lost all meaning. When, for instance, Gen. David Petraeus was slimed as "General Betray Us," Hillary Clinton looked the other way. This was the politics of personal expediency...

It is an odd standard Clinton has when it comes to smears...She would, it seems, rather be president than be right.

Posted at September 18, 2007 05:34 PM | TrackBack
Comments

I think I have to stop reading this site. I don't know how many bangs against the desk my skull can handle, but I must be approaching the limit.
I very much appreciate and respect what you do, but I do have a job to do, and constant nausea doesn't help my productivity.

Posted by: Reid S at September 18, 2007 06:28 PM

Oh, please, Richard Cohen won't still be with us in 3003 will he?

Posted by: darrelplant at September 18, 2007 07:14 PM
Oh, please, Richard Cohen won't still be with us in 3003 will he?

Yes. But I've decided to change it to the incorrect 2003 because it would make the weak-minded break.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at September 18, 2007 07:24 PM

I'm with Reid S. My fragile psyche can't take any more of your horridly abusive recounting of the truth.

I won't be held responsible for whatever irrational thing is bound to occur eventually. You're pushing us over the brink.

Is all I'm saying.

Posted by: Ted at September 18, 2007 08:09 PM

How did a fool like Richard Cohen get a column at the WaPo? Oh right--you explained it two posts earlier: Free press isn't free.

Posted by: Bob at September 18, 2007 09:34 PM

Kucinich himself seemed only momentarily fazed by Perle's sharp right to his integrity and went on, indomitable demagogue that he seems to be

What particularly stands out to me when I read what neoconservatives, or their toadies in the media, say about people like Kucinich, is their tendency to exaggerate.

When our media describes a person who says something pro-peace, or even just commonsensically honest, they say, "The Radical Dennis Kucinich raved, 'Iraq is about Oil!'". Anytime someone says something vaguely anti-war or anti-Bush, even if it was silly and obvious, the media presents it with some headline: "Critic Slams Iraq War". I always notice that. Even papers like the New York Times do that.

When this same media describes something pro-war said by, say, Giuliani, they say, "Giuliani mentioned that he would like to nuke Iran until it glows" without exaggeration.

Posted by: atheist at September 18, 2007 09:50 PM

It's hard to decide who's worse in the WaPost: Cohen or Kissinger. They're even on smarminess. Kissinger is the clear winner in the cliche category. Kissinger beats Cohen on the big lies, Cohen rises to the top with the little ones.
But Kissinger's long-winded and wannabe elder-statesman musings do transport you into the early stages of the flu--headache, dizziness, hot flahes, vomiting. Cohen just causes bloating.
Final Score: Kissinger 28 Cohen 10
Both lose 5 points for humorlessness.

Posted by: donescobar at September 18, 2007 10:13 PM

How dare you read what he wrote then and compare it to what he's writing now? That's so uncivil.

Posted by: Matt Stoller at September 18, 2007 10:14 PM

OK, using Cohen's logic and standards of morality:

In Minneapolis a few weeks ago, a man's pit bull attacked and killed his young son. As a major pundit, Cohen almost certainly heard about this story, but he did not denounce the dog or get personally involved in ending this type of tragedy. Therefore, it seems that Cohen fully approves of pit bulls killing children.

Posted by: whistler blue at September 19, 2007 12:39 AM

As a major pundit, Cohen almost certainly heard about this story...

In your allegory you forgot to mention that a few days before the event Cohen wrote a column for a major newspaper stating that pit bulls never ever attack children and that only a demagogue and fool would suggest that they might...

Posted by: abb1 at September 19, 2007 04:09 AM

I agree with Reid, perhaps one of the reasons I seldom comment, as my fingers are usually massaging my skull after smacking it against the desk.

That said, I find it amusing that some writers can just write whatever, and never look back at their previous work. Would that us plebes could do that in our personal lives.

I need a drink.

Posted by: wkmaier at September 19, 2007 08:30 AM

Ah, yes -- Richard Cohen. He hasn't changed. I recall right after the Iran/contra scandal came to light (no thanks to the American Free Press, btw), Cohen, fellow lib scribe Mark Shields, and A. Cockburn appeared on the old Phil Donahue show to discuss it. Cockburn was great (this was back in his prime), but Cohen and Shields defended Reagan, made excuses for the arms sales, and generally did what they could to bolster the imperial system. That's when I stopped listening to Cohen. Jon may now want to follow suit.

Posted by: Dennis Perrin at September 19, 2007 08:33 AM

"[S]omething truly awful has happened. The looming war has already become deeply and biliously ideological."

That's a remarkable remark.

Posted by: Mark at September 19, 2007 02:15 PM

That's a very interesting Feb. 2003 quote from Cohen. It acknowledges the existence of dissenters prior to the Great Adventure's start. But then as now, what matters is not that these people were right but that they were divisive.

What is truly bizarre is that no one writes about Dick Cheney the way they write about Dennis Kucinich. The crazy lying man gets treated with respect and fear while the brave truth-telling guy gets dismissed as a joke and a lightweight and 'unelectable'. Yet another case of the analysis revealing far more about the analyst(s) than about the subject.

Posted by: Aunt Deb at September 19, 2007 02:33 PM

Aunt Deb - I just wish Dennis's young, tall, hot, tongue-studded Brit wife got more publicity - the Wikipedia article on her refers to her MySpace page, where she notes that "My final exam for my MA [University of Kent at Canterbury] was on “Conflict Resolution in World Politics” - the date of the exam: September 11th, 2001.

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. at September 19, 2007 02:50 PM

I told George that he should've put general Glxtcherieiux in charge of the report to congress, given the difficulty people have rhyming stuff with his name, but did he listen?

Posted by: weh weh weh at September 19, 2007 03:57 PM

I recoiled at Cohen's latest the other day, but had missed this Kucinich piece.

So this guy, who Deep in His Heart Knows He's Funny, is scandalized by Stephen Colbert mocking Bush and by Hillary Clinton not falling into lockstep with the right-wing, and cuts loose on Kucinich?!? He's even more of an ass and an idiot than I thought.

What really got me about his latest is that he completely ignores discussing any of the substance of the Move On ad, regardless of any critiques of their style. But Cohen has always been shallow and a bourgeois pearl-clutcher.

Posted by: Batocchio at September 19, 2007 04:44 PM

[S]omething truly awful has happened. The looming war has already become deeply and biliously ideological.

Now that I look back on this Cohen quote, something else jumps out at me: war is "looming", but Cohen doesn't find that "awful", rather, it's the fact that people are being "ideological" about it.

So, facing the prospect of thousands of innocents being torn apart by bombs, Cohen sees Dennis Kucinich's appearance on Meet the Press and is horrified.

Honestly, what more do you need to know about the man? "Why can't we have a nice little non-ideological war here?", he cries, "Is that too much to ask for?"

Posted by: SteveB at September 19, 2007 04:51 PM

I told George that he should've put general Glxtcherieiux in charge of the report to congress, given the difficulty people have rhyming stuff with his name, but did he listen?

Dat funnnny!
I'd bet dollars to dog dooky he was known as Lootenant Betrayus by his men back in the day...

Posted by: konopelli/wgg at September 19, 2007 05:23 PM

Aunt Deb: Ole Cousin Deadeye has the Media in fear of getting gutshot, whereas Kucinich seems nonthreating and peaceable. (and the Media, being sharks)

Posted by: Mike Meyer at September 19, 2007 06:54 PM