Well, I had mixed feelings about the NATO ultimatums that led to intervention in Kosovo, but I certainly believed that having thumbed their noses at NATO, the lives of a few hundred Serbs was an acceptable price to pay for the political integrity and credibility of the guarantor institution of European security. But as it turns out, the Kosovars (well, 90% of em anyway)seem to be happier and better off for it. Not a bad side benefit for the exercise of power. Actually, there are times when genocides and ethnic cleansing are real security issues and need to be addressed with military power. Eh, but usually not, if the natives in some obscure unimportant distant place want to hack each others' limbs off, let 'em go at it, I say.

FN: but i do think Clinton is a war criminal, not for waging the war, but for his decision to bomb from sufficiently high altitudes to avoid Yugo air defenses. NATO would have lost a few pilots but killed about half as many civilians. if you're going to wage war, do it honorably.

"Samantha the Powerful", surely?

xyz: you've missed the point. Might tell you about it later.

well, please, if there is anything resembling a point to this particularly pathetic exercise in jerking-off, I'd love to know it. It seems to be to be another attempt at "cleverness," rather like the idiotic "joke" about George Washington, which is painful to even look at, it's so fucking unfunny.

BTW, you guys may like to check out FIRES ON THE PLAIN, one of the best antiwar flicks from Japan, considering its director, Kon Ichikawa, just passed away...few films have captured the trauma and corruptive influence of war as well.

if you're going to wage war, do it honorably.
Posted by xyz at February 19, 2008 06:08 AM

thus speaks terminal naivete, which believes there is ANY "honorable" war.
War is ALWAYS (already, as the marxists would say) a dishonorable enterprise, visiting as it does unnecessary pain, suffering, desolation, and destruction upon the innocent.

No, you're completely wrong. We dropped bombs on Yugos to ensure that NATO maintained its credibility. What's dishonorable about that?

By the way, I once looked up the Serbia traffic stats for those two months, and more Yugos died driving Yugos than from NATO bombing (well, in Serbia ex-Kosovo anyway).

Actually, for all their ridiculous monkey like yapping about yee old Kosovo, I actually like Serbs, a lot.

I once looked up statistics on Jewish mortality and found that more Jews have died from other causes over the years than were killed in the Holocaust.

I actually like people, a lot, when they're not yapping about stuff I don't want to hear.

No, you're completely wrong. We dropped bombs on Yugos to ensure that NATO maintained its credibility. What's dishonorable about that?

why would nato initiate a bombing campaign against cars to maintain it's 'credibility'?

No, you're completely wrong. We dropped bombs on Yugos to ensure that NATO maintained its credibility. What's dishonorable about that?

why would nato initiate a bombing campaign against cars? that takes out all hopes of it's credibility right there

why would nato initiate a bombing campaign against cars? that takes out all hopes of it's credibility right there

Have you ever ridden in one of them? If there ever was a justified cause to bomb the shit out of something for humanitarian reasons, it was to rid the world of that POS.

Coexistence was appeasement to low quality standards, egregious safety, and offended aesthetics. How could one sleep, just knowing those things were lurking out there, mocking you with their presence?

well, actually Yugoslavia made a claim against NATO for compensation for having bombed the Zastava (Yugo) factory. I've always thought NATO should have billed them for that service.

getting there but I think you are talking about

Sam [wise the strong, Heroine of the Age, Striding with a Flaming Sword and the One Greatest Ring of] Power

Aren't you ?

And admit it, you sometimes wish she would turn invisible. Don't you ?