Personally, I'm a little bit pleased whenever I'm defined as not being an American.  Having all that evil off of my karmic tab is pretty nice.

Time for MIKE MEYER to stand up and and say:
"I'll decide who's American."
Even better in the original German:
"Wer Amerikaner ist, bestimme ich."

America needs a divider. Go MEYER.

donescobar: I believe in the 14th Admendent and attending Supreme Court decisions on the matter of Citizenship, if that divides????? ( as far as how about George, how about Dick, how about Nancy, 1-202-225-0100? I DON'T care who calls as long as they're HUMAN, and that they call, don't give a damn what they say.)

It's only a phonecall.

It's not like those non-American Manhattanites have any reason to be concerned about our foreign policies. How could it affect them? Oh, wait ...

I hope that many or all of the people working at Manhattan's eateries see Mr. Scarborough's comments and handle his food appropriately.

What do you expect from Scar-head? He said the U.S. firebombed Dresden in WWII and nobody considered that an atrocity so all bleeding-heart libs should STFU.

I seem to recall that Juan Cole has said that the people the Bushies call al Qaeda in Iraq are actually not al Qaeda. I note that Obama insists we need to continue to strike al Qaeda targets in Iraq and I presume that if elected that this will be one of his excuses to stay there, through no fault of his own of course. I guess this is the higher quality of lies we can expect?

Rob, if I read you right, you mean you don't want to stay in Iraq? But we're just getting comfortable over here. We're building an inland lake so we can play beach volleyball in Anbar Province. The babes in swimsuits are flown in from Thailand and the Philippines; they're cheaper than local babes, with less complexes. Some of the Iraqi guys are even coming around and starting to hang with us, now that they've seen what they were missing all these years.

Eatbees,
Ahhh, capitalism. Lake George?

I'm sure Senator John D. Rockefeller will finally release the Select Committee on Intelligence's review of public statements by U.S. government leaders prior to the war and the assessment of the activities of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans after this election, to finally put these unresolved and un-American concerns to rest in a timely and expedient fashion.

Well, he's a blowhard, I've seen him a few times when I was in US. But he has a valid point, I think most voters especially OH and FL are going to be more concerned about the economy and the strategy for Iraq than in having Dennis appointed as Chief Investigator for the Retroactive Impeachment Commission. And man, over at TMW, Professor Harris has an "analysis" comparing Clinton's populist werker-friendly political style and Obama's fuzzy hope/change style. But he links to two articles pointing out the fact that Bob Shrum's populist anti-trade anti-corp strategy has failed so often because the public really doesn't want the kind of snake-oil economics you people love so much. God, what a bunch of jerk-off morons. : )

Americans are concerned about what's happening now.

So I guess it's not possible for "Americans" to hold two concerns simultaneously inside their tiny heads.

Note to our office-supply store assistant manager: If people are "more concerned about the economy" because they see a major recession, or even depression, headed their way, that's not exactly good news for the pro-war crowd. I'll dumb it down for you: If scientists report tomorrow that they've detected a giant asteroid on a collision course for earth, you might see "giant asteroid" heading the polls as American's #1 issue, but that wouldn't be good news for the economy, you know?

well, the US may suffer a very mild recession, and that's not even clearly the case. And the war has been a great sense of mirth to me, first to watch W and Rumsfeld fuck it up, and then to see maybe (maybe) all you people driven to distraction if he pulls the rabbit out of the hat. And Obama? Oh man, 8 more years of hilarity coming down the pike : )

well, the chaos that might ensue if we depart might (might) turn out to have worse economic effects that the costs of staying. And you have to treat the money spent to date as a sunk cost, if you know what that means.

and don't tell me we have to get out because a few hicks from Arkansas get shot up or blown up from time to time, that's what they signed up for. To get their asses shot off, if need be, for the national interest.

So, Scarborough is readmitting Massachusetts to the Union? I mean, aside from the campuses.

donescobar: Quebec

xyz: IS Halliburton's bottom line the "National Interest"?

xyz actually thinks Halliburton is a completely private entity so therefore is naturally a part of US National Interests. This is the lexicon of a right-leaning, partisan idealogues nowadays. (Notice I didn't refer to xyz as a conservative, for I have no desire to give him that monumentous dignity). He will ever seek to avoid the fact that Halliburton, not the US government is using power which they wouldn't have on there own in order to illegally acquire wealth that is inherently not theirs. (Not unlike most large scale businesses in history). Iraq is justifiable because our government is in control, not Halliburton. xyz and his ilk know as well as Halliburton that this war will lose all of its historical credibility if the true nature of their role in Iraq rears its ugly head and sees the light of day.

Then and only then will these morons see their error. When they look at the world around them and say... oh shit, we fucked up. That war helped a sworn enemy(China) more that it did us,etc.... As a man of sixty, I've had that moment more than a few times and I am proud and glad of it.

We hear about constitutional rights, free speech and the free press. Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red, that man is a Communist.' You never hear a real American talk like that.

-- Frank Hague, mayor of Jersey City (January 1938)

At a certain point, we have to ask: do Americans exist?

Only in the minds of idiots and fools.

"And the war has been a great sense of mirth to me, first to watch W and Rumsfeld fuck it up," - xyz

They destroyed the lives of millions. How can that be funny?

"To get their asses shot off, if need be, for the national interest."

Spoken by someone who clearly never served in the military.

Spoken by someone who clearly never served in the military.

Well, I don't think you have to have served in the military to be disgusted by this statement, you just need to have the tiniest shred of humanity.

But no, he doesn't have that either.

Joe is an AIPAC trained monkey. What do you expect?

I just lost a little more respect for the man, Joe, who isn't owned by anybody. Would Joe have us forget about the "Holocaust", "Pearl Harbor", "Civil War". Joe is beginning to sound more like Karl Rove. More republicans daily are beginning to sound like dope heads on crack: there "SPIN" is more important to them than the "TRUTH". The party of the wealthy can buy many things, but they can't buy the TRUTH.

" "We hear about constitutional rights, free speech and the free press. Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red, that man is a Communist.' You never hear a real American talk like that."

-- Frank Hague, mayor of Jersey City (January 1938)"

great cite, carl, thanks for that.

i too feel easier anymore being identified first not as an american, but as a gosh-darn, rootin'-tootin', salt-of-the-earth manhattanite.
i'm new york born
and new york bred
please god one day
i'll be new york dead.
(winky-winky to my tarheel in-laws)

xyz: Would YOU be willing to fight or die for Halliburton?

Well, as a Halliburton shareholder, I don't have to face that question, do I?

Lookit, Halliburton has cashed in, big, but that's because they are among the best at what they do, and thier is immense demand for oilfield services and construction in difficult environments.

And I'm pretty sure Ivy league pretty boys like Bernie and Jon never gave a flying fuck for the hicks from WV in the Army until they became a symbol of anti-Bushism.

xyz: Are YOU physically ABLE to fight? Have YOU ever been called a coward?

I'm not sure what being a shareholder in Haliburton has to do with whether or not one serves in the military.Assuming one believes in the enterprise and is of the appropriate age,it would seem more pertinent to less tangible qualities like cowardice or a lack of patriotism.Regardless,I wonder how well Haliburton would perform in the "difficult" environment of Iraq without their American military 'chaperones'?

"The End of Mike Meyer's Political Career"
Were I ABLE, I would DRAFT ALL touched by the name Halliburton, stockholders included into the U.S. Army.

just for the duration