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May 08, 2008

Inside Der Clintönbunker

Written by James Adomian, put together by Dan Strange.

(from Dennis and IOZ)

—Jonathan Schwarz

Posted at May 8, 2008 07:16 PM
Comments

About as funny as Jerry Lewis.
Hillary may deserve all kinds of shit, but not this kind of genuine brown shit.
Sometimes, comparisons are odious, even in jest.
A touch of respect for history isn't all bad.

Posted by: donescobar at May 8, 2008 07:42 PM

I agree with donescobar. Not funny. Not funny in the slightest.

If, say, McCain had posted something like that or it was a bit of Rush Limbaugh "comedy" the left (of which I consider myself part) would come unglued and rightly so. Or is that "leftly so". In any event, you get the idea.

Hitler was a mass murderer. Whatever Senator Clinton might be (and she is a lot of execrable things, in my opinion), it isn't even closely comparable to Hitler.

Posted by: Steve at May 8, 2008 07:52 PM

Sometimes, comparisons are odious, even in jest.

Well...I think this may be generational. The kids, they're all about the Hitler jokes.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at May 8, 2008 07:53 PM

Hitler was a mass murderer. Whatever Senator Clinton might be (and she is a lot of execrable things, in my opinion), it isn't even closely comparable to Hitler.

The comparison isn't to the number of deaths the two have caused (although Hillary has run up some impressive numbers of her own). The joke is about their similar desire to avoid reality while blaming others for their fate.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at May 8, 2008 07:58 PM

I wouldn't say that it is unfunny because it compares Hillary to Hitler.

I'd say it's unfunny because parodies of this clip have been surfing around the internet for years.

Posted by: Constantine at May 8, 2008 08:05 PM

I'd say it's unfunny because parodies of this clip have been surfing around the internet for years.

Well, to each their own. The concept may be old, but I loved the execution. "You idiots couldn't make it look like an accident if you ran over a kitten!"

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at May 8, 2008 08:14 PM

Whatever Senator Clinton might be...it isn't even closely comparable to Hitler.

Thanks for the insight, Keanu.

Posted by: gnarlytrombone at May 8, 2008 08:31 PM

I thought it was hilarious, and I normally hate stupid shit like this, especially political stuff.

Posted by: Guest at May 8, 2008 08:39 PM

I guess that's what separates professional comedy writers from the rest of us.

This was technically impressive and not even approaching funny.

Posted by: Nell at May 8, 2008 10:01 PM

The joke is about their similar desire to avoid reality while blaming others for their fate.

Yep, exactly, and it's spot on (and like Guest, I generally despise this kind of stuff, especially when it's political). I personally liked "the voters have stolen my nomination."

Posted by: John Caruso at May 8, 2008 10:04 PM

"The kids,they're all about the Hitler jokes." JS
Holy Hakenkreuz!
So what we've got is a Hitlerjugend with humor.
Swell. Laugh? Thought I'd die.

Posted by: donescobar at May 8, 2008 10:18 PM

I watched it this morning on Dennis’ site and I thought it was hilarious. In fact I was LOL.

Posted by: Rob Payne at May 8, 2008 10:32 PM

I cried until I laughed. And laughed. And laughed.

Cathartic. But in really, really poor taste.

Shame on you, and thanks.

Posted by: Mark Gisleson at May 8, 2008 10:41 PM

Eh, I thought it was funny. Don, does seeing "The Producers" or John Cleese as Hitler give you the same negative reaction? I'm honestly asking--if something about this device doesn't work for some of you, and clearly it doesn't, that's pretty interesting. Hitler's been stock comedic fodder for 40 years.

Nell, professional comedy writers do tend to be jaded in their sense of humor. It's an authentic occupational hazard, and not just when somebody sues a showrunner for running a misogynist writers' room. There's a kind of spiritual callousing-up that I find very troubling.

Posted by: Mike of Angle at May 8, 2008 10:45 PM

What Mark Gisleson said.

Posted by: A Different Matt at May 9, 2008 01:38 AM

Mike of Angle, you really shouldn't start your comments with "Eh." It may cause people to skip reading them.

Posted by: StO at May 9, 2008 02:30 AM

It's a sad day when you can't laugh at nazis. They're like the secret muslims from racist black jesusvilles who are also marxists of a bygone era.

Posted by: buermann at May 9, 2008 04:38 AM

"Mike of Angle, you really shouldn't start your comments with "Eh." It may cause people to skip reading them."

Eh? Oh, crap.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 08:16 AM

I laughed hysterically. It probably shouldn't need to be said that Clinton isn't Hitler. Hitler is arguably the worst person ever, guilty of one of the worst crimes ever, while Clinton is a banal defender of run-of-the-mill acts of state terror--that type is a dime a dozen.

In cases like this, the callousness issue comes in because it might hurt someone who suffered because of Hitler. It's like a dead baby joke--those are generally just gross and stupid rather than actually funny, but it's not a moral issue with me, unless you're telling it in front of someone who has lost a child.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 08:33 AM

On second thought, probably should have stopped with "eh". I generally try to avoid these kinds of discussions.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 08:36 AM

On second thought, probably should have stopped with "eh". I generally try to avoid these kinds of discussions.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 08:37 AM

"Hitler was a mass murderer. Whatever Senator Clinton might be (and she is a lot of execrable things, in my opinion), it isn't even closely comparable to Hitler."

Oh, lighten up, would you? No sense of humor at all. Seems to me that the respect for taboos is alive and well in the "liberal" blogosphere, the difference being that Jesus plays no part in it. This shit is actually HILARIOUS. Maybe because (I assume) I'm from a younger generation?


Funny thing is, if she carries through with her promise to "obliterate" Iran, they would be virtually indistinguishable, in my book.

Posted by: Pepito at May 9, 2008 08:54 AM

I've read and heard a lot of funny Hitler stuff: from the jokes that circulated anmong Germans around 1944-45 to Mel Brooks to one in a Graham Greene thriller to Benny Hill and the Pythons.
The problem here is the association and the timing of the association: the "female, evil bitch" with one of the greatest evil-doers of all time. The phrase, "bunker mentality" applies, but once you get the mustache himelf in, the humor sours, at least for ome of us. Can't be helped.
Imagine an Obama cartoon, where he the victor is boiling the loser Hillary in a pot of water, as those cannibals did in countless New Yorker drawings of the past. Oh no? Oh no.

Posted by: donescobar at May 9, 2008 08:58 AM

Funny when it was about Hitler's Xbox, funny now. Also the film "Downfall" that this clip is from is really good.

Posted by: Non Nato at May 9, 2008 09:18 AM

If the person who made this is a serious Obama acolyte, then I'd be happy to make fun of him. I'm not exactly friendly to the Obama cultists. This isn't comparable to a cannibal film, though, because that would be a direct appeal to racism. The equivalent to that would be portraying Clinton as one of the Elders of Zion.

Anyway, I'm dropping out of this thread.


Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 09:31 AM

"Imagine an Obama cartoon, where he the victor is boiling the loser Hillary in a pot of water, as those cannibals did in countless New Yorker drawings of the past."


I don't see the similarity. The hypothetical Obama cartoon would be clearly racist. No element of racism (or sexism) is evident in this parody, despite the Hitler depiction.

Posted by: Pepito at May 9, 2008 09:50 AM

Der Fuehrer as Hillary not sexist? If one had done Thacher as Alexander or Napoleon-- as in invading the far-off Falklands, you'd have at least a connecting thread. But what thread connects Hitler to Hillary other than a "bunker mentality," common to military and political campaigns? Nothing in their actions or thinking. She's ruthless? My, oh my and heavens to Betsy.

Posted by: donescobar at May 9, 2008 10:07 AM

Comments that begin with "eh" and then start the next paragraph with "oh" trigger bad memories for me. DoJo, dost thou mock me?

Posted by: Save the Oocytes at May 9, 2008 10:36 AM

donescobar, you're reading much more on this than it is intended. The connection between Hitler and Hillary is obviously a joke and I think everybody knows they are far from being similar (at least for the time being). Unless, as I said before, she were to carry out her threat of "obliterating" Iran. Then we could start making comparisons.

As for Thatcher, I don't seem to recall there being any blogosphere at the time (admittedly, I was a child when that happened). Of course they could always mock her on outlets like MAD magazine or the like, which I think they didn't. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere somebody had, though, and we just didn't know about it. It's not sexist, no matter how much you want to spin it.


Posted by: Pepito at May 9, 2008 10:59 AM

I can easily imagine the same Hitler clip being played for a white male, were the other candidate a white guy instead of Mrs. Clinton. What's funny about it is the degree of pathetism that Hillary's campaign has sunk to and which (of course, with a generous dose of hyperbole) is parodized so well by using this clip of Der Untergang. You could almost imagine the hand-wringing and accusations, apart from the refusal to accept the obvious. If it has to be explained that humor usually makes use of hyperbole then it defeats the purpose. Some people are just humorless, I assume. You don't need to be an Obama supporter (which I am not, as I believe they're all in bed with corporate power) to laugh at this clip.

Posted by: Pepito at May 9, 2008 11:12 AM

I think lots of derisive laughter should be directed at all three of our corporate candidates. But would anyone do an Obama parody with, say, a Messianic Mussolini? I doubt it. And that's why some sexism is there.
(Why not do McCain as Goebbels, urging "total war?" Funny?)

Posted by: donescobar at May 9, 2008 11:23 AM

Well, in defense of Obama, his own behavior and style do not seem to be any closer to Mussolini than those of the other two candidates. There's at least as much a similarity between McCain or Hillary with Mussolini as that between Saint Obama and il Duce. So no, no sexism at all, I think.

And McCain urging "total war" is too close to the truth to be funny. You see, the similarity has to be clear enough (but also implausible enough) to make you laugh.

I won't say anything more about this. If you have to be explaining why something is funny then a) it isn't or b) the other party actually lacks the 'funny organ' in their brain. I'm fairly sure which option is the right one in this case.

Posted by: Pepito at May 9, 2008 01:02 PM

On one level, funny. I saw the movie (Untergang)--fascinating--and applying it to the "final days" aura of a political campaign is great. The lines are very cleverly done. But you won't see the treatment applied to the guys--Obama is our minority savior, McCain oue crusty old war hero. Sacred cows, both, at least to this kind of humor. Pity.
Why no similar stuff on our "leaders" in business? Law? They get the little shots from the toy rifle, Hillary the blast from an elephant gun.
We need lots more like it, fired at targets of hypocrisy and bombast and power. And not just at the aura or delusion in their war rooms, but at the yawning gap between what they say and their political=financial careers. Fuhgedaboutit.

Posted by: donescobar at May 9, 2008 01:26 PM

Obama is a very balanced gay, one in control of his ego.

Hilary, when in trouble, shows her non-balanced side -very disgusting, by the way-. She is not able to control herself when things not go as she would like. It has happened many times.

Hilary is not the president America deserves. She is a potencial Bush.

Go, go for Obama.

Posted by: Dana at May 9, 2008 01:28 PM

"Obama is a very balanced gay, one in control of his ego."

Thank god for that. I don't think I could take some screaming diva camping it up in the White House. How much change can one nation stand?

Posted by: Chris E. at May 9, 2008 01:57 PM

Vow, if they run together, our first odd couple in The White House? Color it pink.

Posted by: donescobar at May 9, 2008 02:07 PM

I personally think it's despicable that Oliver Hirschbiegel wants everyone to think that Bruno Ganz is Hitler. Mr. Ganz is an actor, not a mass murderer.

Posted by: IOZ at May 9, 2008 02:27 PM

"I will fuck you all in half" is a brilliant line. BRILLIANT.

Posted by: Doctorb Science at May 9, 2008 02:36 PM

That was damn funny. I tremendously enjoyed Downfall, and thought it was great; I never thought it was a celebration of Hitler as much as a well done psychological drama.

This alternate text was inspired. Very witty.

Posted by: angryman@24:10 at May 9, 2008 02:58 PM

"The voters have stolen my nomination" - best line.

Posted by: Tab at May 9, 2008 06:53 PM

Hilarious because of the absolutely filthy language. God fuck you all. That was the best.

But who really gives two shits about a rigged election? Did any of you know that Obama is related to the Bush freaks? It's all Merovingian, my friends.

R. Buckminster Fuller once said (and I paraphrase) that the only way to do away with an outmoded system is to create a new one that is more efficient to replace it. To naysayers: I always wondered why the village folk at the beginning of Seven Samurai whined and pleaded for help. Because they were too pussy to pick up whatever implements they had and slay the bastards themselves. But their inability to take care of their own affairs made for a great movie.

Why should we give our power to anyone else? To vote is to abdicate one's own governing ability to another human being who doesn't give two shits about them, who makes a lot of speeches and empty promises while supporting the agenda of whatever douche club voted them in. Ron Paul is in the same category, too. Fucking truthers who denounce "sheeple" yet exhibit the same qualities as the "sheeple" they denounce. And who gave them the right to decide who's a sheep and who's not anyway? And how can one little wormy dude from Texas who hasn't done a damn thing for the past 20 years in Congress stop the corporate global juggernaut of Bilderberg?

If you counter that statement with, well, look what Bush did, he's a little shit from Texas... do you seriously believe that the president has all this power that you say he does to change this world? No, it's all the related families with all the dough still oppressing anyone not in their secret daisy-chain club. And no one person can change it... it's the people who will change it. Together! Or not. Your decision. I say we start by boycotting the vote until the shit is fair. And that we get a different system... how does it serve the people if 51 percent vote for Bozo the Clown and the other 49 vote for Fat Albert... then half the country is disenfranchised and fairly fuckin' disgruntled. How does that make for good representation in the gubmint?

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." -- Emma Goldman

Posted by: lawrence welk impersonator at May 9, 2008 06:59 PM

lawrence welk impersonator, if you post that two more times, the z**nist boogie man will suddenly appear in the mirror and get you. so don't, just in case. also don't because you are v. tedious.

Posted by: Mildred de Palma at May 9, 2008 07:44 PM

Well, I wondered what J. Schwartz would be up to in the post-North-Carolina triumphalism. But wow!

I can think of few things more likely to help McCain eke out a victory than having him run this little flick (labeled as an Obama presentation) throughout the country.

Frankly I'd bet that the events of the next few weeks will relegate this to the vast closet of execrable fraternity-house "humor."

Posted by: dscott at May 9, 2008 08:30 PM

Well, I wondered what J. Schwartz would be up to in the post-North-Carolina triumphalism.

Seriously? Well, I'm not sure what we actually disagree about, but no matter what it is, I appreciate being in your thoughts.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at May 9, 2008 08:57 PM

I promised myself I wouldn't come back, but I can never trust myself on these things. I'm getting the distinct impression dscott thinks this clip was an example of pro-Obama triumphalism and that people at this blog are all caught up in the apocalyptic struggle between Clinton and Obama, seeing it as a replay of Gondor vs. Mordor. Uh, no, at least on the second point. On the first point, you'd have to ask the parodist. Speaking for myself, I dislike Obama slightly less than Clinton, and considerably less than McCain. If all three could lose I'd probably enjoy that. The joy of watching extremely ambitious people fail to lie their way into office is not one of life's greatest pleasures, but all the same, it does provide a pleasant little tingle.

As for the clip, if the parodist is in any way associated with the Obama campaign they'd dissociate themselves from him so fast it would probably provide a proof-of-concept for warp drive technology.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 9, 2008 11:40 PM

the line i laughed loudest at was the one about what working class act would be necessary next - taking a shit in an outhouse

i don't think blaming this clip on obama would motivate clinton supporters to actually vote for mccain - but if it would, then mccain deserves the votes and the country deserves mccain

may the c.f.u. have mercy etc.

Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d. at May 10, 2008 10:43 AM

Wow. Well, I thought it was too funny. And, yes, sexist - this woman (were she as talented) would likely have chosen certain other phrases ('cunts for eyes'?) But it _is_ satire. And as such it certainly captured what many of us envision about what could be happening within a tanking candidacy such as Clinton's.

I guffawed. Twice.

Posted by: bluestateleftist at May 10, 2008 11:15 AM

I'm not an Obama supporter, and I thought the clip was good. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if Obama's or McCain's campaign were going down the tubes and it was about one of them. Or about Bush for that matter, hunkered in his bunker as his numbers fall -- but that would be too easy, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Duncan at May 10, 2008 11:49 AM

VOTING CHANGES EVERYTHING, just because Emma Goldman couldn't see it doesn't make it so. ITS VOTING for the SAME thing and the SAME people over and over and over AND over that makes things never change.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at May 10, 2008 02:20 PM

I had a feeling this thread would still be dragging on. OK, I'm not going to be polite anymore because the reason this is funny is because the Clintons have behaved so very, very badly. Not Hitler bad, but badly enough that their supporters CANNOT LET GO. I got over Edwards quickly enough without any bitterness towards Obama. If you can't let go of Hillary, you're the proof of why this is funny. You've invested yourself into a nasty candidate who says nasty divisive things.

There. Blame my remarks on John Edwards. I fuckin' dare ya.

Posted by: Mark Gisleson at May 10, 2008 04:59 PM

This same clip was used during the NFL playoffs last year, just after the Cowboys lost. In it Hitler was a rabid Cowboy fan, and his profanity laced tirade about Eli Manning and the Giants was very very funny. The clip has been pulled, but the Clinton clip is a complete ripoff, even some of the same language was used, tweaked a bit. That said, I found this take on the bunker scene deeply offensive and quite funny.

Posted by: Rick at May 10, 2008 11:20 PM

I was referred to this site to watch a funny video.
I didn't expect all of this analysis of a video.
Do you people do this a lot? Unless you are on the clock, you should get a life.

Posted by: Dean at May 11, 2008 01:37 PM

Well, someone should pay me. Anyway, I've decided the main reason I feel guilty for laughing at this is not the unfairness to Clinton--it's the suspicion that we're also supposed to be laughing at her supporters. Or maybe not. I don't know. I'd say more, but I expect payment first.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at May 11, 2008 10:51 PM